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		<title>By: The Mono Firefight</title>
		<link>http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/134/comment-page-1/#comment-3420</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mono Firefight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2010 23:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jo, the only pledge I can think of is the one you take when you join AA. The Pledge. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jo, the only pledge I can think of is the one you take when you join AA. The Pledge. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TGM</title>
		<link>http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/134/comment-page-1/#comment-1753</link>
		<dc:creator>TGM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this post!</p>
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		<title>By: directhex</title>
		<link>http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/134/comment-page-1/#comment-1502</link>
		<dc:creator>directhex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1501&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@steVo&lt;/a&gt;, A fundamental freedom which should never be taken away</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1501" rel="nofollow">@steVo</a>, A fundamental freedom which should never be taken away</p>
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		<title>By: steVo</title>
		<link>http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/134/comment-page-1/#comment-1501</link>
		<dc:creator>steVo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Jo users have the right to shut up and stay quiet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Jo users have the right to shut up and stay quiet.</p>
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		<title>By: directhex</title>
		<link>http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/134/comment-page-1/#comment-1269</link>
		<dc:creator>directhex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1265&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@william&lt;/a&gt;, Um... wow. Some people REALLY can&#039;t take a joke, it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1265" rel="nofollow">@william</a>, Um&#8230; wow. Some people REALLY can&#8217;t take a joke, it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
		<link>http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/134/comment-page-1/#comment-1265</link>
		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear &quot;directhex&quot;,
you are the worsen devel on the open source panarama because you suggest in your blog: &quot;I believe Free Software developers should be free to contribute without being threatened with eviction from a community&quot; but in real life you do the opposite, see here: http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/07/04/the-neverending-fun-of-debugging-a-debugger

LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear &#8220;directhex&#8221;,<br />
you are the worsen devel on the open source panarama because you suggest in your blog: &#8220;I believe Free Software developers should be free to contribute without being threatened with eviction from a community&#8221; but in real life you do the opposite, see here: <a href="http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/07/04/the-neverending-fun-of-debugging-a-debugger" rel="nofollow">http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/07/04/the-neverending-fun-of-debugging-a-debugger</a></p>
<p>LOL</p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/134/comment-page-1/#comment-1242</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a extras.

1) Don&#039;t do take part in projects who don&#039;t put there users first.

Mono gets on the wrong side of this.  They speed all there time talking about how this helps the developer.   End user not getting sued is important.  End user not needing extra ram or disk space is also important.

Answers on patent deals want is covered and what is not.  Is putting your users first.  Its also being truthful to your end users.

Has project lead of mono tried to find out?   If he cannot just be truthful to end users and say it to public.

End users must feel safe with project.  If they don&#039;t they will in time move to another project so with enough time project will die.  So I wasted my development time.

Time is something we cannot get more of.

2) Everyone has the right to make a free choice with valid information.  Otherwise people don&#039;t have freedom.

This is the reason why I am pissed with mono.   Its fake freedom.  Spoon feeding us information never turning up with the complete information people need to make a true free and fair selection.

Basically people using mono has broken our freedom.  So we are hitting back.  Get over yourselves.  That the open source world is threating you shows they are worried.   Address what they are worried about correctly and they will stop threating.

The war between GTK and QT was based on a licence condition blocking closed source development.  History of open source world being hostile to anything restricting freedom is well and truly known.  You place restrictions you expect to have some haters.

Worst sin in the open source world to generate massive hate is to be caught lieing. Project lead of mono has been caught a few times lieing about patent licenses so all mono users are coping the flak.

Yes freedom with information is part of being open source.   This includes information about patent risks.

You say you believe in freedom yet I not seen you post a message once asking for the freedom to have the information on the patent risks to make users happy.

If you were not disrespecting your own rules you would not be getting burnt as much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a extras.</p>
<p>1) Don&#8217;t do take part in projects who don&#8217;t put there users first.</p>
<p>Mono gets on the wrong side of this.  They speed all there time talking about how this helps the developer.   End user not getting sued is important.  End user not needing extra ram or disk space is also important.</p>
<p>Answers on patent deals want is covered and what is not.  Is putting your users first.  Its also being truthful to your end users.</p>
<p>Has project lead of mono tried to find out?   If he cannot just be truthful to end users and say it to public.</p>
<p>End users must feel safe with project.  If they don&#8217;t they will in time move to another project so with enough time project will die.  So I wasted my development time.</p>
<p>Time is something we cannot get more of.</p>
<p>2) Everyone has the right to make a free choice with valid information.  Otherwise people don&#8217;t have freedom.</p>
<p>This is the reason why I am pissed with mono.   Its fake freedom.  Spoon feeding us information never turning up with the complete information people need to make a true free and fair selection.</p>
<p>Basically people using mono has broken our freedom.  So we are hitting back.  Get over yourselves.  That the open source world is threating you shows they are worried.   Address what they are worried about correctly and they will stop threating.</p>
<p>The war between GTK and QT was based on a licence condition blocking closed source development.  History of open source world being hostile to anything restricting freedom is well and truly known.  You place restrictions you expect to have some haters.</p>
<p>Worst sin in the open source world to generate massive hate is to be caught lieing. Project lead of mono has been caught a few times lieing about patent licenses so all mono users are coping the flak.</p>
<p>Yes freedom with information is part of being open source.   This includes information about patent risks.</p>
<p>You say you believe in freedom yet I not seen you post a message once asking for the freedom to have the information on the patent risks to make users happy.</p>
<p>If you were not disrespecting your own rules you would not be getting burnt as much.</p>
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		<title>By: TheGreatGonzo</title>
		<link>http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/134/comment-page-1/#comment-1214</link>
		<dc:creator>TheGreatGonzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I totally agree.

You like Mono I like Qt.  Same difference, thats wy we all love with free software technologies.  No one should be attacked for it.  We all have differnt opinions thats what makes the world a fun place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I totally agree.</p>
<p>You like Mono I like Qt.  Same difference, thats wy we all love with free software technologies.  No one should be attacked for it.  We all have differnt opinions thats what makes the world a fun place.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan McCall</title>
		<link>http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/134/comment-page-1/#comment-1209</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan McCall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s with the Mono specific discussion? This is an awesome pledge, and can be applied to everything. Thanks, Jo.

Err, *signed* :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s with the Mono specific discussion? This is an awesome pledge, and can be applied to everything. Thanks, Jo.</p>
<p>Err, *signed* :)</p>
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		<title>By: Tak</title>
		<link>http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/134/comment-page-1/#comment-1207</link>
		<dc:creator>Tak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.</p>
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